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 Post subject: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 4th, 2015, 13:41 
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Hi, I have two 1 TB Caviar Black HDD in a RAID 0 Mode.
One of this disk fail, and I suspect that the plate is good (Head Related Issue), I have the other disk (same Brand and model).
A friend tell me that, I can "Clone" the healthy disk to another Brand new HDD, then, change the plate to them, "Clone" the data to a Second Brand new HDD, in this way I can restore my data.
The question is, what tool can do an exact copy from this disks, sector by sector in order to recover my data?
Anyone can put me in the right direction?
Sorry for my bad english!
Thanks in avance!


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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 4th, 2015, 13:47 
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I would not listen to your friend unless you want to lose your data.

Moving the "plate" platters is not as easy as it sounds and 99.99% it is not necessary.

If the data is important I would get a evaluation from a local professional.


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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 4th, 2015, 13:47 
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If you value your data at all, send it to a professional data recovery lab. The last thing you will want to do is move the platters.

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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 4th, 2015, 15:06 
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Thanks for your quickly replay!
I understand your concerns about "change the plates", I do this a dozens times already with an 93% of sucess, I have the necessary skills and tools for this kind of task, but, it's my first time with a 2 RAID disks set!
Even worst, It's My OWN computer :)
So I really need directions on how can I "clone" every HDD to a 2 Brand new HDD so can I restore my data!
Many Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 4th, 2015, 15:27 
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nando_uy wrote:
Thanks for your quickly replay!
I understand your concerns about "change the plates", I do this a dozens times already with an 93% of sucess, I have the necessary skills and tools for this kind of task, but, it's my first time with a 2 RAID disks set!
Even worst, It's My OWN computer :)
So I really need directions on how can I "clone" every HDD to a 2 Brand new HDD so can I restore my data!
Many Thanks!

If you have done this dozens of times with 93% success rate, then you need not ask such a simple question about cloning.

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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 4th, 2015, 16:22 
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Yes, I ask because AFAIK, in RAID Mode, some kind of "info" is write by the on board controller.
For instance, My Mobo is an MSI X79A-GD45 with an Enbedded Intel Raid controller.
Then, it's not that simple "cloning", besides I bought a 2 TB Seagate HDD!
This is my question, What Hardware / Software combination must be used and some kind of "guideline" or Tuto to accomplish that!
Sorry If I bother you!.
Until today I just change plates, heads or electronics circuits on a single HDD, nor Raid, thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 4th, 2015, 17:32 
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I have to agree with cleanroom and lcoughey, I find it very difficult to believe you think you can successfully fix a 1Tb WD black by swapping the platters (which has already been mentioned as 99.99% unnecessary and unlikely to succeed), yet unable to reconstruct a simple RAID0.

Sorry, but that's the reality.

You say it's a "heads related issue", why do you think moving the platters will solve that?

If you really wanna DIY it then you're correct in assuming that you should first clone the good drive to another good one (or an image file) but then I would use the parts (heads) from that (usually two members of a RAID 0 are good donor candidates for each other) to "fix" the bad one and then clone that to another good drive.

Assuming that's successful (which I doubt) then it should be easy to reconstruct the RAID in something like rstudio or UFS explorer.

But... I can't stress this enough, it isn't an easy job and once you've messed with the drive(s) there almost certainly no going back, and your data is likely gone for good.

Take the advice given already and send to a pro.

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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 4th, 2015, 18:35 
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I will try this because part of my diary job is, data recovery, so as I mention before, this is the first time that I faced a RAID problem!
In Enterprise environment, we have extensive backup plans, but not in my own machine :)
Then, I know the risks involved, but I live in a small country (Uruguay), we have only 3 data recovery labs, one of these is MY job!
Thanks for the tip, I go to purchase UFS Explorer as you suggest!
Or exist anyone better?


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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 4th, 2015, 18:37 
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nando_uy wrote:
I understand your concerns about "change the plates", I do this a dozens times already with an 93% of sucess,


:shock: :shock: :shock:

I think that there is a problem with the translator of google (plates - pcb)


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 Post subject: RAID 0 data recovery
PostPosted: February 4th, 2015, 18:48 
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nando_uy wrote:
A friend tell me that, I can "Clone" the healthy disk to another Brand new HDD, then, change the plate to them, "Clone" the data to a Second Brand new HDD, in this way I can restore my data.
nando_uy wrote:
I do this a dozens times already with an 93% of sucess
If it's a heads issue, why you are looking to move the platters?

nando_uy wrote:
The question is, what tool can do an exact copy from this disks, sector by sector in order to recover my data?
nando_uy wrote:
I have the necessary skills and tools for this kind of task
This indeed sounds incostitent.

nando_uy wrote:
I have two 1 TB Caviar Black HDD in a RAID 0 Mode.
One of this disk fail, and I suspect that the plate is good (Head Related Issue)
Maybe by "plate" you mean PCB, electronics board?

nando_uy wrote:
it's my first time with a 2 RAID disks set!
You need to recover the data from failed drive properly before taking any RAID-related actions.

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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 4th, 2015, 19:44 
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Your post makes me want to stand up and yell Bull$hit.

"Head Related Issue"
Which head? Did you examine the sliders?

"suspect that the plate is good"
X-ray glasses?

"RAID 0 Mode"
No professional would trust a stripe for their personal data.

"A friend tell me that"
And that's where 99.9% of all drives become unrecoverable.

"what tool can do an exact copy from this disks"
A professional imager is going to cost ten times more than it would cost to have a pro recover the drive.

"Anyone can put me in the right direction?"
A professional.

"I do this a dozens times already with an 93% of sucess"
Doubtful if your asking these types of questions.

"I have the necessary skills and tools for this kind of task"
Then why are you here?

"Even worst, It's My OWN computer"
Maybe the computer is not the only problem here.

"Until today I just change plates"
Its platters not plates. This isn't a restaurant.

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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 4th, 2015, 19:50 
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"I will try this because part of my diary job is, data recovery"
Scary.

"so as I mention before, this is the first time that I faced a RAID problem!"
Did you start learning data recovery yesterday?

"In Enterprise environment, we have extensive backup plans, but not in my own machine :)"
Maybe you should find an adult at work and ask them for help.

"Then, I know the risks involved, but I live in a small country (Uruguay), we have only 3 data recovery labs, one of these is MY job!"
Scary.

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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 5th, 2015, 4:44 
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Sorry for bother you, coleagues!....I say sorry for my english before! (Plate, Platters...oh my, what stupid observation)
"X-Ray Lenses", no, Common Sense!
Yes, was an stupid decisión to trust RAID 0 for personal use!
Yes, I am an data recovery profesional, so, I stay here because in my job, WE DO NOT MAKE PERSONAL RECOVERY it's a owner's policy!... Our daily job is Banking related data, no external disk are permited, for security reasons.
thatdellguy, If you have the time to "analize", my questions paragraph by paragraph, so I stay in the wrong site in all over internet, other site help me or not, but none of them "analize" my "inconsistences".
Many thanks!
Have a nice day!
Cheers!


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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 5th, 2015, 6:56 
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I signed up to this forum just because I wanted to say: WTF?

What you're saying is that you have hands that are steadier than a Buddhist monk's pulse that can accurately transplant and align platters?

Common sense tells you that the heads are the issue but doesn't tell you that it might be better to swap those rather than the "plates"?

This seems like a troll to me, if it is...get back under your bridge!

If not, clone the good drive, use it's heads to clone the bad drive. UFS explorer to rebuild the RAID. Easy.


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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 5th, 2015, 8:24 
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Spildit wrote:
Looks like op is trolling.
I wouldn't even bother to reply any further to this type of posts/threads.
I was thinking the same but to be fair in Spanish placa can mean pcb so that could be the souce of confusion?


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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 5th, 2015, 11:13 
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dick wrote:
Spildit wrote:
Looks like op is trolling.
I wouldn't even bother to reply any further to this type of posts/threads.
I was thinking the same but to be fair in Spanish placa can mean pcb so that could be the souce of confusion?


True, but seems to me that he has picked up on the confusion but not confirmed one way or the other what he meant!

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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 5th, 2015, 11:44 
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Yep I'm being rather generous tbo!

placa plata platter :shock:

La unica opertunidad para nuestra colega que pueda salvar su cara y honor?


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 Post subject: Re: RAID 0 Failure!
PostPosted: February 5th, 2015, 20:08 
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If what you say it is true, put your own laboratory, with these percentages of success changing platters I believe you will be the best of the world


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