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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 2nd, 2024, 10:11 
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does enybody know the capacity and voltage of those Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitor??????? looks like 150uf but im not sure about the voltage.... 16V?? i can find locally with same value but the sizes are different...


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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 2nd, 2024, 22:34 
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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 2nd, 2024, 22:56 
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There appears to be a single oscillator on the PCB which clocks all the chips. Also, the two SATA-IDE bridges appear to share the same supplies, so this would rule out these two possibilities.

Is it possible to connect a drive to the data port of SATA 0 and then power it directly from your PSU, without going through the PC3000-UDMA card's current monitor circuitry? If this works, then try the same for SATA 1. This will tell you if there is any weirdness in the power section.

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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 3rd, 2024, 2:51 
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Sir im not sure what you are asking me... i can connect the sata directly to the motherboard but pc-3000 wont see it as sata 1 right? it will be seen as external drive therefore wont access to the HDD utility right??

i dont know why but with the multimeter the sata 1 controller IC gives wrong values.. "even if i swap and solder sata 0 controller IC over sata 1 location!
is it possible to bridge the sata filters from sata 0 to sata 1 IC controller?








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There appears to be a single oscillator on the PCB which clocks all the chips. Also, the two SATA-IDE bridges appear to share the same supplies, so this would rule out these two possibilities.

Is it possible to connect a drive to the data port of SATA 0 and then power it directly from your PSU, without going through the PC3000-UDMA card's current monitor circuitry? If this works, then try the same for SATA 1. This will tell you if there is any weirdness in the power section.


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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 3rd, 2024, 5:44 
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i can connect the sata directly to the motherboard but pc-3000 wont see it as sata 1 right? it will be seen as external drive therefore wont access to the HDD utility right??
Use the external sata power, connect sata data as normal. You will need to power up the channel to activate it in pc3K but it shouldn't matter where the power from the drive comes from - obviously you wont have control over the power from pc3K but that shouldn't matter for test purposes.

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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 4th, 2024, 2:41 
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thank you for the explanation Sir i will do it











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i can connect the sata directly to the motherboard but pc-3000 wont see it as sata 1 right? it will be seen as external drive therefore wont access to the HDD utility right??
Use the external sata power, connect sata data as normal. You will need to power up the channel to activate it in pc3K but it shouldn't matter where the power from the drive comes from - obviously you wont have control over the power from pc3K but that shouldn't matter for test purposes.


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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 4th, 2024, 2:44 
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Sir i did what you said
"connect the HDD power DIRECTLY to the motherboard and sata cable to pc-3000"
but as i tought the PC-3000 shows the same status port 0 is ok but power 1 same status!

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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 4th, 2024, 2:55 
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I think that your tests prove that the Spartan IC is faulty.

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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
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aaaaaaaaaaw you mean the main chip Sir??? thats a disaster! i guess is not easy to find on sale...right?


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I think that your tests prove that the Spartan IC is faulty.


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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 4th, 2024, 3:51 
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is it safe to reball or reflow? what temperature will you suggest??


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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 4th, 2024, 4:27 
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As I see it, you have eliminated everything except the main chip. What else could it be?? As for reballing, I have no idea. You would need to consult the datasheet.

https://media.digikey.com/pdf/data%20sheets/xilinx%20pdfs/Spartan-6%20FPGA.pdf

https://classes.engineering.wustl.edu/cse462/images/1/1c/Ug385.pdf (soldering guidelines on page 350)

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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 5th, 2024, 1:59 
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i guess maximum 260C for reflow

may i ask Sir? whats the voltage suppose to be on those pinout in the photo??
is it ok if i bridge with a wires from sata 0 controller IC to sata 1?






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As I see it, you have eliminated everything except the main chip. What else could it be?? As for reballing, I have no idea. You would need to consult the datasheet.

https://media.digikey.com/pdf/data%20sheets/xilinx%20pdfs/Spartan-6%20FPGA.pdf

https://classes.engineering.wustl.edu/cse462/images/1/1c/Ug385.pdf (soldering guidelines on page 350)


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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
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Yes, something is wrong there, but I don't understand what it is. Clearly the DC bias level of the Tx/Rx pairs differs between the two channels. There is a 1% 6.04K precision resistor (REXT) that sets the bias current (ISET) at pin #26. I would compare the voltages at these resistors.

See REXT/IEXT in this circuit diagram:

https://www.hddoracle.com/download/file.php?id=10650&mode=view

The REXT resistors are those two resistors in your most recent photo.

The only other thing I can suggest is to compare the voltages on each pin of the two bridge chips.

BTW, I notice that pin #29 of the bridge ICs in the circuit diagram is connected to a 3.3V supply, whereas on your PCB this pin appears to be grounded. :-?

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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 5th, 2024, 8:50 
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Frank ,
Another Very Common problem is power section of this board

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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
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@Amarbir, the OP still has the same problem after bypassing the power section of the PCB by connecting the drive directly to the PSU.

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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 6th, 2024, 2:00 
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Hello again Sir
unfortunatelly the pins are not numbered..

can you tell me with a photo which are pin 26 and pin 29?
i dont have the chematic of pc-3000 udma










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Yes, something is wrong there, but I don't understand what it is. Clearly the DC bias level of the Tx/Rx pairs differs between the two channels. There is a 1% 6.04K precision resistor (REXT) that sets the bias current (ISET) at pin #26. I would compare the voltages at these resistors.

See REXT/IEXT in this circuit diagram:

https://www.hddoracle.com/download/file.php?id=10650&mode=view

The REXT resistors are those two resistors in your most recent photo.

The only other thing I can suggest is to compare the voltages on each pin of the two bridge chips.

BTW, I notice that pin #29 of the bridge ICs in the circuit diagram is connected to a 3.3V supply, whereas on your PCB this pin appears to be grounded. :-?


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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 6th, 2024, 6:28 
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pin1 is marked with a dot on both the pcb and the chip. count it.

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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
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The pinout of the Marvell bridge is similar to these:

https://www.hddoracle.com/download/file.php?id=10648&mode=view (JMicron JM20330)

https://www.hddoracle.com/download/file.php?id=10647&mode=view (Sunplus SPIF223A)

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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
PostPosted: December 9th, 2024, 2:31 
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Sir iv notived a difference of voltage in pin 28 & 27 ! on sata 0 is about 8V but on sata 1 is only 3V.
i made a bridge with a thin wires but now both SATA 0 and SATA 1 is not recognized on pc-3000





fzabkar wrote:
Yes, something is wrong there, but I don't understand what it is. Clearly the DC bias level of the Tx/Rx pairs differs between the two channels. There is a 1% 6.04K precision resistor (REXT) that sets the bias current (ISET) at pin #26. I would compare the voltages at these resistors.

See REXT/IEXT in this circuit diagram:

https://www.hddoracle.com/download/file.php?id=10650&mode=view

The REXT resistors are those two resistors in your most recent photo.

The only other thing I can suggest is to compare the voltages on each pin of the two bridge chips.

BTW, I notice that pin #29 of the bridge ICs in the circuit diagram is connected to a 3.3V supply, whereas on your PCB this pin appears to be grounded. :-?


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 Post subject: Re: Repair the pc-3000 UMDA
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any advice Sir?


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