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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: August 24th, 2025, 15:50 
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"avigdata.com took too long to respond"

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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: August 24th, 2025, 15:50 
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A.DATA wrote:
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If you can't see how this is toxic, then no one can explain this to you.

I have already addressed the weight of this claim and if you used such language as well.


Are you like 12 years old?


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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: August 24th, 2025, 16:06 
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Lardman wrote:
I'm beginning to think you're just being argumentative. DR is a global industry, client have vastly different budgets, attitudes to what they are prepared to pay for a recovery and more importantly the recovery device types they send in. THAT defines how much investment as a company I can allocate into R&D for more involved recovery solutions to offer to my clients.

Like most labs I only offer services my clients will purchase from me in sufficient quantities for me to make a profit from, to some that means they don't bother with Flash, SATA SSD or perhaps NVME and outsource those cases. For me that line is obvious physical platter damage. Other labs who do offer those services collect more of those types of cases and can offer them to clients at a cost that I couldn't match, I refer clients onto them.

Totally understandable.
But as you mentioned in the previous post, the discussion is about my words
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done in the past

So my question is about the past.
At a time when most of the market was hdds, can you please explain why some are already doing this and it is economically viable and for most of them are not economically viable?
If the ratio between the groups was different then, this can be noted.
I know people can say what it matters, but since this discussion has already been brought up it would be helpful if the information were told to the public who are still interested in the subject.


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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: August 24th, 2025, 16:22 
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Arch Stanton wrote:

Are you like 12 years old?


Anyone who has read your comments after I have answered your claims one by one will notice that you are slowly slowly moving away from the topic and making arguments that are completely unrelated to the topic, so this is exactly the point where I will stop responding to what you are saying.
Now I will let you feel like you are the one who answered last.


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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: August 24th, 2025, 16:27 
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A.DATA wrote:
Arch Stanton wrote:

Are you like 12 years old?


Anyone who has read your comments after I have answered your claims one by one will notice that you are slowly moving away from the topic and making arguments that are completely unrelated to the topic, so this is exactly the point where I will stop responding to what you are saying.
Now I will let you feel like you are the one who answered last.


It was the poor form/attitude I commented on from the start.

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Now I will let you feel like you are the one who answered last


I remember this tactic from when I was at primary school decades ago. it figures you resort to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: August 24th, 2025, 16:45 
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A.DATA wrote:
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So my question is about the past.
At a time when most of the market was hdds, can you please explain why some are already doing this and it is economically viable and for most of them are not economically viable.
The same that applies now applied then. Pick whichever tense you prefer to apply.

It's not a difficult concept, the percentage of drives with this type of damage was/is low, the percentage of clients with this damage who are prepared to pay for recovery was/is even lower. Therefore it's not economical to pursue a solution. That's not to say specialised or focused labs haven't/didn't for those unicorn clients who were/are actually prepared to pay.


The same can be seen today with Helium drives. Low percentage of cases, lower percentage of clients willing to pay the extra needed for recovery. As an industry the result is a small proportion of labs investing into R&D so they can offer the service and the res of us referring clients onto them. These services are charged at a premium compared to what we charge for standard drives but far below the cost needed to develop the processes inhouse.

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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: August 24th, 2025, 17:57 
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this leads to somewhat off-topic but:
it isn't very good for the actual RnD that there are a lot of cheap labs with very restricted abilities that kill the market, and those suffer from the low prices who actually do some development.
But this leads very far and has been talked through...

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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: August 25th, 2025, 7:51 
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I think I've said elsewhere, the industry over saturation will be resolved as the complexity and probably more significantly the recovery times increase on the average case. Judging by the cases I'm getting sent lately we can't be that far off the tipping point either.

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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
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Lardman wrote:
Those who can already are.

How many such labs that are known to the public are there in the world? A few? Dozens? Hundreds?


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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: August 26th, 2025, 17:23 
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Lardman wrote:
Like I said, if you're still seeing those drives and if your clients are willing to pay the cost you need to recover them - then all that's great for you. I haven't seen a sub 1TB 2.5" spinner for over a year, they have all been replaced by samsung/crucial/sandisk solid state drives.

The purpose of the demonstration is to showcase the physical capability of the development that is the main thing in development.
That it can be used in many situations in different models.
One disk was from a customer after the recovery was complete, the other disk had "tough" firmware that I wanted to see if I could manipulate.
You can use the product on all types of disks, you just need to adjust the firmware a little, the more you control the firmware, the better performance you can get from the physical product.
Although I am not a great expert in firmware, I was able to adapt the firmware to all the models and capacities of WD and Samsung that I tried, manufactured up to 2018.
You understand I'm not going to show a demo on every model and family, and with the little time I can devote to data recovery and the few clients I can accept, I don't have time to waste on firmware adjustments for every new family of products that are produced.
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If you'd have demonstrated this technique on something like a 4TB spyglass or a 2TB rosewood... that would have been noteworthy.

The experiment on the "newest" disc I conducted was on wd spyglass usb model WD40NMZW-11GX6S1.
The disk was full of bad sectors in service areas 0 and 1 and the moduls cannot be repaired, so the disk cannot be boot up and id.
The disc did not belong to a customer and was without scratches.
The purpose of the experiment was to test how much control I could have over the firmware so that I could use my product.
I finally managed to extract the part of the firmware I needed, I was able to read user data from specific platters and this without dependence of surface 0 and 1, this means I can use my product on scratches without a problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: August 27th, 2025, 16:43 
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Today I performed the same test on wd charger 2TB WD20SPZX-75UA7T1 year 2021, the test passed successfully.
In any case, if we encounter a hard drive or other brands that we cannot find a way to do this, we can use the product when either SA 0 or 1 is in functional state.


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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: September 30th, 2025, 3:14 
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Hi. It is interesting, but unfortunately nothing new here. Something like that was done many times and by many people. It is look like you are kind of new in data recovery if you writing on your site that you are only one how can do such job. may be even you don't know what were developed in this field and what capability of people who work with such problems for 20-30 years. I wish you luck anyway, because it is complicated problem and new names here are always welcomed.


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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
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drHDD wrote:
may be even you don't know what were developed in this field...done many times and by many people.

So you're saying that over the years something has been developed for scratched multi-platter hard drives and that many of people use it, is that correct?


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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: October 11th, 2025, 16:35 
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uh oh :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: October 11th, 2025, 17:17 
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A.DATA wrote:
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may be even you don't know what were developed in this field...done many times and by many people.

So you're saying that over the years something has been developed for scratched multi-platter hard drives and that many of people use it, is that correct?

I want to do advertising for the developer and the community that uses his product, can you name the developer company and the top ten people who use its equipment?


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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: October 12th, 2025, 16:15 
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@fzabkar, do you know of a company that has developed and markets equipment for recovering scratched 2.5" multi-platter hard drives, recovering from the scratched platter itself with the ability to reach all surface areas?
I don't understand why for five months no one here mentioned her name even though I made this point repeatedly as part of my arguments.


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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: October 12th, 2025, 19:31 
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I know that Digilab in the US claims to have some success with crashed HDDs, and Gillware claims that they can polish ("burnish") scratched platters. Other than that, I have seen nothing that would allow me to confidently recommend any such service to the users in the other forums in which I participate. Nobody seems to advertise such a service, in any case.

BTW, what's the deal with your web site?

This is the only remnant I can find:

https://web.archive.org/web/20250408182939/https://avigdata.com/

"Launching Soon -- Contact Us"

Edit:

I can reach the web site via VPN, but not otherwise.

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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: October 12th, 2025, 20:03 
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If you type the website in Google it doesn't show up?
Or it shows up but you can't log in?
From my computer everything is fine.
If you can only through VPN does that mean your provider has blocked access? interesting, the storage seems to me in the UK?


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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
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I'm wondering whether my ISP is being blocked. My browser complains that avigdata.com took too long to respond. Even with a VPN, I can see the slideshow of video frames, but there is no clickable link for the actual video. I had no problem in May of this year when you started this thread, and I haven't changed my browser since then.

The problem exists on two different machines, Win 10 and Win11, Chrome and Firefox. "VPN Proxy Browser" gets through, but doesn't serve up a video.

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 Post subject: Re: Severely scratched hard dirves data recovery technology
PostPosted: October 12th, 2025, 20:37 
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I know it's always slow, but it shouldn't be as slow as you describe.
I took the cheapest storage, , this whole business is something on the side for me.
If this happens to you on multiple computers then either:
1. Because of your internet provider, you know providers are not a stable thing, it could be one day like this and another day like that.
2. Since May, the WordPress site has been updated several times, so it is possible that even though you haven't made any changes to your browsers, there will still be some impact.


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