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PostPosted: January 16th, 2008, 9:58 
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It is for dm9+ and compatibile
what do you think?


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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 16th, 2008, 11:07 
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it is a tool underdevelopment I will be selling it, we plan to make it for all drives, it will be good for head change on drives with and withouth motor stuck problems because heads do not tuch surface in any time, nor they touch togeather.

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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 16th, 2008, 12:37 
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Hi helpdisc!

Why not to show the photo of the entire tool? :?:
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Thanks advance!

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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 16th, 2008, 17:00 
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why does not Dimitry gives free his new tool? :D
Will do just to finish it....

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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
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It's something that anybody can make with a little application on their side. If you can think it you can build it :O)

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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 17th, 2008, 6:50 
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that is correct

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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
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it is very useful to data recovery for replace head !


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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 25th, 2008, 7:33 
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it will be on market in next month, we are developing other drives,
I think next will be seagates 250-500gb
price will be 500e for one tool.

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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 25th, 2008, 11:53 
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I realize it can't sell for close to it's manufacture cost (I'm guessing around $5-$10 US), but at 500e, that's the price I paid for my used CNC machine. At 40e, I'd consider it, but at 500e, I'd just make my own.


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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 25th, 2008, 12:40 
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yes but this can not be done on cnc, so your story is not relevant.
Production cost is a lloooooooot more then 10$.
i would like all who find it expencive to buy it on another place or not to buy it at all. I do not need your posts how expencive is it.
I made this because I could not buy it not even for 5000e. If You are in buisnies, it will pay it off from 1/2 of sucessfull job. And with this tool will help You to teach all Your tehnitians to change heads in 10 mins.
So if You find it expencive it is Your proble, because it is not expencive. And if it can be found on some other place tell me I will be glad to pay 500e. We will make it for seagate next, because we need it and we will think do we want to sell it. I am sure peopple all araund the world will know how to appritiate it.

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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 25th, 2008, 12:44 
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rchadwick wrote:
I realize it can't sell for close to it's manufacture cost (I'm guessing around $5-$10 US), but at 500e, that's the price I paid for my used CNC machine. At 40e, I'd consider it, but at 500e, I'd just make my own.

I do not know why You think that all that is not in NJ cost 5$?
Do You think only apples are 5$ in Big Apple,
That is why You are on russian forum thinking that You are the best. I hope there will be time for You to meet soemone that is not
from US You will see that there is a lot of world to explore.

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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 25th, 2008, 13:16 
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I'm not sure what you mean. Anyway, as you didn't show a picture of the full tool, an accurate estimate is impossible. From what you showed, if I was manufacturing millions of them, they could be done for $1 easily, and sell for $2 to $5. Even in low quantity they could be machined under $10. My point was that I understand you can't, and shouldn't sell it for around that price. I'm just saying that 500e is way more than I would pay. If there is something more to the tool that makes it difficult and/or expensive to manufacture, I'd change my estimate accordingly. If 500e was for a complete set of tools covering all brands, that would be something else.

Also, I'm not sure why this can't be made on a CNC. Regardless, when I have the CNC controller finished for my mill in another week, I'll be finding out :)


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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 25th, 2008, 13:25 
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it can not be because i tried :D

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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 25th, 2008, 19:56 
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Price of anything = to a price a person willing to pay for that thing.

If that tool will decrease a chance of new scratches made on a disk, it will be in high demand and will sell for good $.

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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 25th, 2008, 22:48 
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hep disk, did you go to the ACE Labs school of business?
.....that was a joke BTW!!! :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 25th, 2008, 23:39 
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While it does seem to be an Ace mentality, even a comparison to Ace isn't fully accurate. Ace spent many years developing their tools. Developing a PC3000 from scratch would be a LOT of work, and it would be cheaper and easier to spend $10,000, or even $20,000. This head tool could be cranked out in a weekend by a competent engineering firm, or even a good hobbyist.

To put it another way....

If an apple costs $1, you buy it and smile
If an apple costs $5, you take it and grumble
If an apple costs $500, you plant an apple tree, and maybe start selling apples

I don't expect you to change your pricing, I'd just like to be able to say 'I told you so' :)


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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 26th, 2008, 10:12 
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I would like You to say things that are not for this forum.
Go grow apples, datarecovery is not job for You.
If there is nothink else for You to say plz don't.
I will ignore all Your posts from now.
And, again I made it for my company we use it now, that will pay my costs of developing.
Not evrything can be made on keygen.com
If You do not like , well It is YOUr loss.

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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 26th, 2008, 14:49 
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I don't mean to offend you. Please calm down. I hope you do well. That's why I offered advice. If you didn't want anyone to respond, you probably shouldn't have ended your first post with 'what do you think?'


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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 29th, 2008, 17:21 
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helpdisc wrote:
yes but this can not be done on cnc, so your story is not relevant.
Production cost is a lloooooooot more then 10$.
i would like all who find it expencive to buy it on another place or not to buy it at all. I do not need your posts how expencive is it.
I made this because I could not buy it not even for 5000e. If You are in buisnies, it will pay it off from 1/2 of sucessfull job. And with this tool will help You to teach all Your tehnitians to change heads in 10 mins.
So if You find it expencive it is Your proble, because it is not expencive. And if it can be found on some other place tell me I will be glad to pay 500e. We will make it for seagate next, because we need it and we will think do we want to sell it. I am sure peopple all araund the world will know how to appritiate it.


You mean to say that using this tool takes 10 minutes to change a set of heads, when I can do it in under 4 minutes with my own, self-designed, self-manufactured tools? And you're trying to SELL this product?

Sorry - I would say you're onto a loser here.

If you have the technical ability and the experience, head swaps are a piece of cake requiring nothing more special than simple, hand-made tools costing under $1.


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 Post subject: Re: head change tool
PostPosted: January 29th, 2008, 17:25 
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helpdisc wrote:
it is a tool underdevelopment I will be selling it, we plan to make it for all drives, it will be good for head change on drives with and withouth motor stuck problems because heads do not tuch surface in any time, nor they touch togeather.


And another old wives' tale...

Most modern drives suffer no ill effects whatsoever if the heads are allowed to touch.

You will know you have a problem if they "stick" when you try to prise them apart. Granted, this will be too late, but with a little experience, you will learn to know which drives can safely come through the heads touching, and save yourself a lot of unnecessary trouble.


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