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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2008, 14:58 
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The higher the density on the platters, the higher the probabilty of failure or damage. That's why I was puzzled about a 320G single platter , I know they DO exist. On one side you want to overcome some problems, on the other you are searching solution that will deliver OTHER problems.... :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2008, 16:11 
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BlackST wrote:
The higher the density on the platters, the higher the probabilty of failure or damage. That's why I was puzzled about a 320G single platter , I know they DO exist. On one side you want to overcome some problems, on the other you are searching solution that will deliver OTHER problems.... :roll:

It's kinda funny I ask you this question, but... which do you think better off with (on users side, not data recovery companies :mrgreen:)? The normal one or single platter? (In terms of recovery and considering all the possible cases of failure)

Edit: Btw, do you have any evident proof of "the higher the probability of failure or damage"? Sounds sensible to me, but is that REALLY true?


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2008, 16:19 
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I'd take a single-platter 320 over a dual-platter 320, but that is just me.


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2008, 16:29 
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I'm going to let you in on a little secret. This secret will keep all those money-grubbing DR Professionals out of your pockets. This is better than trying to guess the best drive. This is even better than a cheaper data recovery. If everyone used this secret, there would be no more DR people.

It's called a backup.


Ask better questions, and you'll get even better answers :)


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2008, 19:46 
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BlackST wrote:
320 single platter ?!?


Yes...actually : Max. 334GB Formatted Capacity per Disk

I love these...the 1 TB (which I don't use) are 3 platter.

I think HD322HJ model is one i use.

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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 2nd, 2008, 23:45 
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rchadwick wrote:
It's called a backup.

Errr dude... I know that. Thanks for making yourself look good here.
Question, do you make backups of your files (Word, p-point, excel, CAD drawings, drafts, plus settings that you changed in the applications, ohh especially those BIG HUGE files) everytime you click "Save" on DVD or USB or 2nd HDD?
I think you'll spend 25% of your time doing this.
Well, it's not me. :lol:
rchadwick wrote:
Ask better questions, and you'll get even better answers :)

Don't reply/contribute (showing off) to the thread of you don't want to read every posts in it.
I don't mind paying for DR, but I don't want to pay more just because I have "HDD-that-will-cost-more-to-recover-than-the-others" in the first place.


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 3rd, 2008, 0:14 
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What I'm trying to point out is that it's not terribly smart to plan on Data Recovery. It makes a lot more sense to first plan on backing up. To answer your question, a RAID can back up everything to a second drive, even every time you click 'save'.

Your methodology sounds a bit like trying to contract a less fatal strain of HIV, instead of simply wearing a condom.

If you have a backup strategy, and are looking for a 'more recoverable' drive, you should ask that. Like I said, ask better questions.

Showing off? I'm really showing everyone how stupid I am. You get snippy, and yet I'm still helping you, with a smile :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 3rd, 2008, 0:22 
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Jeeze, the question has been answered multiple times. If you know this site, you should understand importance of backup. I think I probably speak for a lot of DR techs when I say that the last thing I ever want to do is have to recover MY OWN data. When one of my drives fail, I always just say f' it, and go to my last backup.

I don't think I'd really put much thought into spacers or no spacers because I don't have to. If it really matters to you, stay single platter, but even then you never know if you'll actually be successful.


I agree with Rchadwick and the AIDS analogy...it just sucks when the condom breaks and you didn't realize until too late :)


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 3rd, 2008, 0:45 
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rchadwick wrote:
To answer your question, a RAID can back up everything to a second drive, even every time you click 'save'.

Did I ask a question* regarding "backup plan"? :roll:
Edit: *originally

rchadwick wrote:
Your methodology sounds a bit like trying to contract a less fatal strain of HIV, instead of simply wearing a condom.

What?

rchadwick wrote:
If you have a backup strategy, and are looking for a 'more recoverable' drive, you should ask that. Like I said, ask better questions.

Understand my question*, my friend :wink:

rchadwick wrote:
Showing off? I'm really showing everyone how stupid I am. You get snippy, and yet I'm still helping you, with a smile :mrgreen:

I don't need your help, Mr. rchadwick :mrgreen:
You don't understand my question*, instead you're suggesting something else. And I don't need that suggestion.


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 3rd, 2008, 0:52 
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HDDWitchDoctor wrote:
Jeeze, the question has been answered multiple times. If you know this site, you should understand importance of backup. I think I probably speak for a lot of DR techs when I say that the last thing I ever want to do is have to recover MY OWN data.

Is this your first post? And you said such thing?
Use your TRUE identity, Mr. Bourne :lol:

HDDWitchDoctor wrote:
When one of my drives fail, I always just say f' it, and go to my last backup.

That's you, and I don't give any shugar about it. That's not me.

HDDWitchDoctor wrote:
I don't think I'd really put much thought into spacers or no spacers because I don't have to. If it really matters to you, stay single platter, but even then you never know if you'll actually be successful.

Spacer what? Did I miss something here? :shock:

HDDWitchDoctor wrote:
I agree with Rchadwick and the AIDS analogy...it just sucks when the condom breaks and you didn't realize until too late :)

Possibly... ... ... ahh, never mind. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 3rd, 2008, 0:57 
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Best of luck to you. I'll await your call.


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 3rd, 2008, 1:28 
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rchadwick wrote:
Best of luck to you. I'll await your call.

Dang boy... you really have problem with reading or understanding?

Let me quote it for you, dear.
badsector7 wrote:
I don't need your help, Mr. rchadwick :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 3rd, 2008, 2:52 
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Aren't you planning on needing DR? You'll have to call someone. Geez, some people just don't get things.


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 3rd, 2008, 6:43 
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rchadwick wrote:
Aren't you planning on needing DR? You'll have to call someone.

I know, but it's not gonna be you, Mr. rchadwick :roll:

rchadwick wrote:
Geez, some people just don't get things.

I should be the one who say this... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: WD Caviar Black Series
PostPosted: September 3rd, 2008, 16:34 
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BlackST wrote:
The higher the density on the platters, the higher the probabilty of failure or damage. That's why I was puzzled about a 320G single platter , I know they DO exist. On one side you want to overcome some problems, on the other you are searching solution that will deliver OTHER problems.... :roll:


I agree with BlackST...actually he doesn't need proof, as it is already a fact...hdd's have been less reliable ever since IBM went to the newer MHA and near 20GB...older drives were more reliable....perpendicular, well, we'll see, but I've got lots of 500gb on up that are failing already...that's why we primarily use small density drives on our own machines. I use 9 of the 320GB Single platter samsungs in a hot-swappable RAID 5 array on a Linux file server to store customer data short-term. With larger and larger drives coming in regularly, we have to have temporary storage space as well as drives to put them on. At only $50 to $60 each, they are quite adequate....I still use LTO2 alot and am very happy with it for backup.

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