Everything starts from people who want NOT TO SPEND (I mean not to spend, not save). Ask a BMW 7 series or a Lamborghini or a Ferrari owner if they go to "Fred Jones car paradise" or "Joe will fix it" garage . Probably they can fix it anyway, but they won't go. I take my car (where, by the way, I put my ass on and my life, too) only to authorized service center, where I'm sure I have all the service I deserve, all the quality I deserve - but at the prices they fix. Yes, I can afford it. But I have someone to blame if something goes wrong, and behind them there is the brand name. Everyone gets EXACTLY what he wants , and everyone has the service he deserves, in the good and in the bad.
Usually when there's too much hassle, or too much energy at play, things need to be uncontrolled, so nature can find a way... (more clearly : let them learn at their own expenses and let the wannabes and the fake pros make damage... on the long run this is in favour of real pros.).
P.S. ask yourself if Rolex or BMW or Lamborghini or Ferrari are worried about clones... Luxury and quality markets never suffer crisis you have to choose where to stay. It's your option .

You gotta love those damaged TVS diodes

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Sorry. There should have been a period instead of a comma. It was a different job. The platter was put back in upside down. That happened to be a Maxtor 40gb. I got ahead of myself a bit there.

The problem is that if you have a professional looking website, and the person who needs data recovered knows nothing of the industry, why would they have any doubts that this particular company would not be able to get the data back?

One thing I find to be very common with my clients is that they all have an expectation that we can do anything, and have no concept of the unique workings of a mechanical HDD. If your car breaks down, there is not a single component that cannot be replaced, and whatever the fault it is likely that no matter where you take it, it will be fixed. if your TV is damaged there is no specific part that cant be replaced, and whatever the fault it is likely that no matter where you take it, it will be fixed. If your HD breaks down, there are limits to what can be replaced, compatibility, skill and knowledge are factors, platters can suffer damage which cannot be repaired or replaced, and the DR industry cannot be compared to any other industry, yet to a customer with no idea of the industry, why would there be any doubt?

I would read better business bureau stuff and I would dig a little farther into what I'm told. Have you ever asked a friend what mechanic to go to or A/C repairmen to use or did you just randomly choose one out of the yellowpages with your eyes closed? There's word of mouth, FORUMS*** and other ways to get information about a company. Especially if my data is important.

I truly believe these are all very good points and they all hold merit. I really do worry when we tell someone to put something in a fridge. I'm not just doing it so I can invoke the wrath of a forum site. People read these and come for help. Not only do they get the wrong idea but they walk away getting laughed at. I worry very much about people on here just to get trade info but I try to weed them out from the people who have legitimate questions.

But to be fair, some HDD failures are with specific chips getting too hot too quickly making the disk unstable. Putting it in the freezer (or any other alternative to keeping PCB cool) will help in this situation! That makes this an unlikely, but possible, recovery method

GTD4242 or whatever your name is. You talk the talk but can you walk the walk?

I refer you to this post by yourself exactly 12 months ago.....

"I have had two different drives come in within the last week that have nearly the same problem. They are both SATA drives, one is WD, the other is Seagate. The problem is, whenever I go to clone or image the drives, as soon as it hits a bad sector the heads just quit reading. Even if I restart the cloning process from a point where it was just able to read from, it comes back with a read error.

Both drives start up perfectly, they calibrate without any problems. No unusual noises, no clicking. But the instant it hits a bad sector, the drive is pretty much useless until you shut down and restart. I've only seen this in these two SATA drives, and just thought it was odd."


Is this the post of a reputable company, which expensive hardware, software, knowledge and experience? it's obvious deepspar or data extractor, ninja could deal with this and even self designed software with power management. Maybe you have come a long way in 12 months. Personally I think your full of sh*t,

I will swap you those two disks with those faults for 2 of my WD5000AAKS

At the time I had PC3K but it wasn't a problem easily resolved with that. Infact it was those two cases that finally convinced me to go ahead and order the Deepspar disk imager, so that I would have more control over how errors like this were handled.

And what about the ability to identify a nagger at first post ? , come on, guys, let's come back to work....

I would bet money I could recover those with PC3K

Ok I agree with you once again. I have chosen to research and follow alternate methods of cooling other than the freezer but the theory is correct.


Once again I agree! Damn WD5000AAKS! You might not believe it but in between my posts I am working on one of those!!! Every station I have is filled with a WD today GRRRRRRr

My mother could recover those with pc3k and she is totally useless with technology

PC3K is not a recovery tool unless used in conjunction with DE, so you wouldn't recover anything from any drives just using that alone.

I'll toss my opinions into this:

1) I believe a $99 (Or a $200) flat fee uneducated technician hurts our industry in many ways.

2) If I have to wade through some folks blowing off steam to get to some useful, and FREE information, I'm happy.

3) Personally, I'm not interested in remaking an entire forum to suit my personal desires, unless maybe if I'm the moderator.

4) It appears this thread has got a bit out of hand. If your goal is to argue (Nothing wrong with that), there are better forums. Political forums are great for this kind of thing.

5) In any group, it's wise for the newer members to sit back a bit and see the flow of the group before jumping in with guns blazing.

We all have at least one thing in common. We are interested in hard drives, and recovery of data from them. Perhaps we should focus on our common ground.

Yep this thread is embarrasing.
The feeling i'm getting from reading this thread is data recovery experts comparing the size of their penises.
This is not the required content of a serious forum.
By the way the question from the OP was answered very politely in the 2nd post.

1) If you believe that then you'll realize three things a) People obviously realize they don't know enough and are seeking assistance by coming here in the first place b) if you give them enough info to not destroy someone's drive then when you get their messed up work it won't be as messed and you'll be able to recover and look great to the people LOL c) giving inaccurate info can be misleading to some and not everyone gets "sense of humor" over the internet

2) Blowing off steam is a little different IMO then what has gone on and there's a section for it on the forums. Wanna blow off steam, don't misguide people, do it in the correct arena

3) I'm saying we need to moderate ourselves

4) It appears most of the site has gotten out of hand.

5) Dude you haven't seen guns blazing

Agreed. You basically just said what I said in the beginning and are making it look like that wasn't my intention. I didn't try to take anyone off of topic. I answered the guys question and the post continued into this. I just had something to say later about how far it got off of course and only once it had gone way off of course.

If you want to point fingers read the beginning of the post. I answered the question first. Should've been done there. phisin_ca, beto additionally added good info. After that "thatdellguy" and many others took it off topic. They ridiculed the person for their website and more.

It's not just this post. Don't believe look for yourselves. Go into almost any post and see who answers what. This is like a political site because your words and actions are visible long after you make them and your stance can hardly be changed afterwards. Let's focus on the common thing and be adults.

hey..........I was only pointing out the obvious to potential forum readers...Could you imagine sending your drive to this company only to have it waved in front of a camera by a guy sitting on a couch...It sends chills down my back! It angers me that a customer would go to that site and even consider sending them there hard drive....Don't kick me around a post and dirty my name because nobody has the guts to say something...Sometimes it is necessary to point out the frauds...Maybe a lot of you can sit comfortably behind a screen but I can not....

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Fair enough point on sending a drive to a person who doesn't respect someone's personal belongings. I'm merely pointing out relevance to the post! Your statements are your own, as well as your intentions. I'm only speaking hypothetically because I don't know the poster, but what if he is a descent recovery technician and it was just an assumption that the drive he waves in that video is really a customer's? His character wasn't in question. How to remove that piece was. If he was really waving a customer's drive around he probably won't make it very long in this business and if a customer chooses him after seeing that then they are probably getting what they're paying for. I just don't believe that was the point. What if you went onto a site for something that you wanted to know about and just got bashed the whole time for knowing nothing or not doing something right? Plus if it was as obvious as you say then where is the need to point it out? I'm not defending anyone here. It was never my intention. Nor was directly bringing you into this but I was just quoting your post. I'm not dirtying your name, they're your remarks!

No offense intended.

Most dealership garages don't have tools to repair or test (Expensive tools and test machines ). Only the major dealership garages have these, look at the garage before letting them do work.

If it was an anology then should everyone send their drives to mfg data recover services only.


$99 shops, it is not possible for drive repair recovery to make any profit only lose money at $99 all in.


There are many sites on the net that have very much detailed info talked on them. Some you'll need a web translator to understand (if not fluent in that language). China and russia have many, western countries are catching up. These sites have been around for ages, so far no damage has come of such sites talking technical details.