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 Post subject: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 12th, 2009, 22:03 
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Hi all
i am having a small problem with recovery ffrom a Mac book, the drive has alot of bad blocks but i have successfully imaged the drive onto a new drive. this is all good, however when i do the recovery i am able to recover all data files such as word, excel, and pictures but no folder structure at all, so just a listing of 1000's of photos and the same for documents.

This is happening through DE or any other application such as rstudio or even data rescue running on a different mac.

Can anyone shed some light on this, while it is good to get the files back it is better to get them back in the correct folder

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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 12th, 2009, 22:10 
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Well, depending on where the bad blocks were its possible that no amount of software will bring everything back into perfect order. If you're running the image through the standard utilities and coming up empty, then I'm not sure what more you're looking for.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 12th, 2009, 22:19 
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thx for the fast answer drccsc

i guess having the data back is at least something, i thought possibly i may of been overlooking something with what i was doing, but i got the same result from imaging with pc3000 and Atola on 2 new drives

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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 13th, 2009, 0:17 
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At wich region was that bad sectors crecomp?


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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 13th, 2009, 3:59 
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You tried Stellar Phoenix Mac?

Sometimes comes up trumps.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 13th, 2009, 5:27 
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You could image only the bads with the retrys set to 5 and a higher timeout. Also try Nucleus Kernal for MAC and full scan using Data Rescue on MAC.


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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 13th, 2009, 6:58 
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thx for replies guys

nucleus software did not find structure ether just raw files.

pcimage will try this and post back results.

thx guys

have a good weekend


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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 13th, 2009, 7:03 
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Make a copy of the copy and try to repair it with DiskWarrior
( I know some don't like DW)


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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 13th, 2009, 7:32 
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Reimage the area between LB 300000 and 1300000 as best as you can.

I have some good tools that can usually get back directory structure if it's not to badly destroyed.

PM me if you're a pro and would like me to try to do so on an image copy.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 13th, 2009, 7:37 
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Data Rescue II gets my vote as far as Mac consumer-level tools. It usually works well once you imaged the drive. Just put it in a USB or Firewire box, and scan it (may take a few hours) and save what you got to your internal drive.


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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 14th, 2009, 2:21 
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Hi idid try data rescue right after imaging process with same results
Will try section image as pointed by joni ate and advise
Thx for all replies guys will try them one by one and post


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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 14th, 2009, 13:27 
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Steve wrote:
Make a copy of the copy and try to repair it with DiskWarrior
( I know some don't like DW)


Yo don't repair an imaged drive with anything you extract the data from it. The recovery utility builds its own file system information in memory, then uses that as a way to copy the data out of the disk or image. Who here does a byte by byte image of a drive on a Windows machine onto another drive, puts it in a computer and then runs chkdsk on it? No, you would use GetDataBack or Disk Commander or something similar, which builds a file system in memory from the remaining pieces of the filesystem info on the disk, and then a scan of the disk's contents.

Use ddrescue to image it, or Media Tools Pro on a PC. Yes, I know Media Tools Pro is old and somewhat slow, but if you get its settings just right, it works quite well for small but fairly badly damaged areas of a drive, as it works sector by sector instead of block by block like lots of programs like ti.


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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 14th, 2009, 20:41 
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That's why I said a copy of the copy.
Never try Repair a single image.
He already recovered files, and now wants directory structure.
GDB won't work on a MAC and he's tried the other recovery programs
If one has a COPY of the image/copy , hey can do ANYTHING without
fear of destroying anything.


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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 15th, 2009, 2:04 
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I never said it worked on the Mac's file system, it was an example. You are missing my point. Repairing the filesystem in your image is stupid. Use a data retrieval utility that can put the pieces together on its own. If Data Rescue, which can copy information off a disk with no usable file system data left, can't get it, there isn't a file system tool in the world that will help you repair the image.

When you run a scan with Data Rescue, it creates its own file system information in memory, both based on what's left that it can read and parse off the disk, and based on the folders and files it finds during its end to end scan of the disk. Disk Warrior can't do that. Disk Warrior is not a data recovery tool, it's a maintenance tool. If you can't understand the difference, maybe you should limit your use of electronic storage media to punch cards.


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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 15th, 2009, 2:13 
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And you missed the point . Data Rescue DIDN'T work
So What will it hurt to TRY to repair a COPY of the Image ?
He will still have the original image of the drive


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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 15th, 2009, 10:22 
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No harm, it just won't work. Testdisk might, but it doesn't care about folder structure, just getting raw files out.

Disk Warrior is a piece of junk, its repairs are about as healthy for your filesystem as sticking your disk drive in a clothes dryer.

Hey, also, be sure you got something off of it, as in that there is actually raw data in the image and not just zero.


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 Post subject: Re: Lost folder structure
PostPosted: February 15th, 2009, 13:52 
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I'm not sure why this necessitates argument. There are plenty of tools out there, and every recovery case is different. I have not ever found one or even two tools that works the best every time. Ultimately, if you are working with copies of your images, there's no reason to limit yourself to one or two tools. Just use whatever until you find something that works. Diskwarrior has some features that no other software tool I know of has yet, but no, its not perfect. Neither is anything else. I think that discouraging someone from doing their own experimentation is not only irresponsible but more importantly, its just asking for them to just come bug the forums every time they have a question instead of trying for themselves.

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